Casey Tobin (00:00)
Okay, sweet.

Rich Marks The Spot (00:02)
All right,

Casey, what's up? You hear me now?

Casey Tobin (00:05)
I got you, I got you loud and clear.

Rich Marks The Spot (00:07)
And

I got you too, what's going on, man?

Casey Tobin (00:09)
Sweet man, so yeah, things are good. you know, chilling. I'm out in Colorado now. I've been out here since like 2021. Oh shit, sorry. I'm slotting here, hang on, hang on, let's do it this way.

Rich Marks The Spot (00:25)
No, ⁓ all right, yeah, whichever way you want.

Casey Tobin (00:28)
Well it was just sliding off the table so why is it not adjusting?

Not adjusting, adjust.

Rich Marks The Spot (00:40)
Adjust away, man.

Casey Tobin (00:44)
Yeah, man. Yeah, I moved out here 2021. It was it was time. I actually I wanted to go a lot earlier than that. I wanted to go right as I was leaving via. But, you know, I ended up meeting like this girl that I like and thought it might be a thing. And so I stayed out there and tried to make it work for a couple of years and then it didn't. And then I moved home during COVID with my parents.

and then COVID happened and you couldn't move. I mean, you really like you couldn't move though. Like I literally went back ⁓ like before it hit. I went back in January because that was when me and the girl broke up. And then I was actually planning on going to Colorado like in 2020 and then you just couldn't, you know, it just wasn't a thing. Yeah.

Rich Marks The Spot (01:15)
classic.

So wait,

you go back to when we were hanging out. You were living in Worcester for a while and then you moved to Denver?

Casey Tobin (01:49)
Yeah, so I was on, I had a place right on Lancaster Street down by the Boynton. That's where I was living when I was last working at Via when we were hanging out. Like, I loved that spot. It was great. Like, it was like, I want to say that I had you over there at one point in time, because I know I had everybody over there. I think it might have been like 420. Everybody came by and was like just rolling blood. It was a crazy night.

I'm trying to remember. Or you might have come over for breakfast before one of the Super Bowl Sundays. I don't know. I'm trying to remember. If you ever came to my spot. Do you remember coming to my spot? all right. Yeah, all right. So yeah, so then I ended up moving in with this girl and I got into banking because it was like, she was working nine to five and I like...

Rich Marks The Spot (02:27)
Yeah.

Absolutely. Yep.

Casey Tobin (02:47)
But I had saved up a bunch of money working at Via and I was like, all right, I'm gonna go ahead west. I've been thinking about heading west since I moved back here. Because I had moved back right before I started at Via from Florida. I was living in Florida for three years before that. But I mean, I only went down there because my dad lives down there. I really, I didn't love living in Florida, you know? It was built for old people, you know?

Rich Marks The Spot (03:15)
So you grew up in Worcester though, or Massachusetts?

Casey Tobin (03:19)
Yeah, yeah, I was in Oxford.

Rich Marks The Spot (03:25)
And then.

Casey Tobin (03:25)
I remember I

used to work down at the friggin' Broadway. Remember the Broadway? Used to work right? Is it still there? Hell yeah. Of course it is. That shit ain't ever going anywhere, is it? Damn, that's awesome.

Rich Marks The Spot (03:34)
still around. Yeah.

Everything else has moved away, but that place is still there.

Casey Tobin (03:45)
That's so f-

That's awesome. It's cool spot.

Rich Marks The Spot (03:50)
So,

⁓ how did you get involved in banking? I know, obviously, we worked together at the restaurant. Did you transition out of the restaurant right into the banking because of a girlfriend?

Casey Tobin (03:57)
yeah.

Well, so actually what I did was I went and sold life insurance for like six months first, but I freaking hated it. And my mom had a friend that was in banking. I had actually, I had sold mortgages years ago before I even moved to Florida, like when I was fresh out of college in 2006, 2007. And then that freaking, the housing market collapsing, that job wasn't there anymore. Yeah, dude, I've been through some shit.

Rich Marks The Spot (04:31)
So, I'm guessing you graduated high school and then you got involved in selling mortgages, or was there something before that? college.

Casey Tobin (04:38)
College. Yeah dude, I went to Clark.

Yeah, I went to Clark. ⁓

Rich Marks The Spot (04:43)
You liberal

smarty, I knew there was like ⁓ undertone to you.

Casey Tobin (04:48)
You know, I try to keep the brain active, you know.

Rich Marks The Spot (04:54)
Wait, you didn't go to Quinn Sig for a year and then just drop out? I'm throwing shade, I'm just playing around. That's what I did.

Casey Tobin (05:00)
Yeah

I'm like, know plenty of people that did that. Yeah, hell yeah, you know? Whatever, man. I'm glad to see that you're doing media stuff these days. I know you're always talking about doing media stuff.

Rich Marks The Spot (05:07)
⁓

Yeah, it's been, it's super fun, dude. It's my hobby. It keeps me grounded. I love doing it. And ever since I started the podcast, I've been getting to connect with people I lost touch with. I've been hanging out with people, getting invited to parties. So it was good for me to like get back out into the world. Cause you know, I used to be super social. We'd go to coffee shops, talk creativity, just like you were in Hollywood Street movies. So that was my second media project ever.

Casey Tobin (05:40)
Man, I love that. Dude,

that was so much fun. Hell yeah. Yeah, man. Like, I yeah, I always imagine that you'd be doing this sort of thing. And I and I love the concept of the idea. ⁓ It reminds me a little bit. I've had some ideas for like, almost like social experiments that kind of run along this line. So was like, all right, I really like the idea of this podcast to be able to like, even just to reconnect, even if you're just doing it for you. I think it's like, it's awesome.

Really, you know?

Rich Marks The Spot (06:12)
Yeah, I had so many questions when I reached out to you. I was like, wait, he's living in Denver. I was like, how did that transition happen? I saw you were involved in banking on LinkedIn. I was like, OK, things have changed with Casey. And I got to catch up. like what's been going on. You know, it's been 10 years, probably. And.

Casey Tobin (06:31)
Yeah,

yeah it has.

Rich Marks The Spot (06:32)
I wanted to

ask you, what are you doing for ⁓ hobbies right now? Are you doing anything with skiing? Why are you in Denver? Have you watched the Patriots-Denver game?

Casey Tobin (06:36)
you

Oh man, yeah,

so all the things, right? So, you know, I came out to Denver because I remember like the first time that I went out to California and I was like, just vibe with like the way the world works on the West part of the United States. Like everything up in the Northeast is just, every day a day late, a dollar short, everything moves too friggin' fast. like, I think it's the fastest paced place in the world that I've ever been to. mean, I'm not it wrong, I've been to like.

China where there's like a million people jumping on the side of the friggin' rail cars and all that, but like, I mean, you're just go, go, go, go, what's next, what's next, and I'm like, dude, can we just enjoy some things a little bit, you know? ⁓ But when I went to Florida, it was just, it was too slow. Everything is just old and slow, and it just doesn't move, you know, and it's just, that wasn't the right pace, and like, here in Denver, it's the right pace.

People are, you know, they take pride in their work, but when they're not working, they also have a lot of stuff they're doing on the side. I actually, I do a snowboard. ⁓ I've already gotten nine days in this year, even though it hasn't been the best of snow. Like, I still get out there, been having a friggin' blast with it. ⁓ man, it's been so great. ⁓

Rich Marks The Spot (08:02)
Did you fly

out or did you drive in? Did you? But when you moved there, did you drive or fly? Rad.

Casey Tobin (08:06)
What do mean? No, I live here. I live here.

Oh, I drove. I got some

funny pictures of my cat sleeping on top of the headboard on the passenger side. Oh, it's so funny. That's my poor cat. I got him in 2014. He's 11, yeah. Jeff, you remember Jeff? My little gray cat running around? Nah, sorry.

Rich Marks The Spot (08:25)
How old is your cat?

My cat... ⁓ no,

I think I do. Because I have a cat too, but just passed away, right, Kwan?

Casey Tobin (08:45)
⁓ I remember Rayquan.

Rich Marks The Spot (08:47)
Yeah,

but she was around like 18 or 19.

Casey Tobin (08:51)
Wow, that's crazy. That's awesome. I mean, I'm sorry to hear that you lost your cat. ⁓ man. I can't. Yeah.

Rich Marks The Spot (08:59)
It was her time. Buried

her in the backyard. We got a little shrine for her.

Casey Tobin (09:05)
⁓ yeah, that's nice. That's too bad though. It still sucks if you've a buddy for that long that you don't have anymore, you know?

Rich Marks The Spot (09:13)
Hey, I don't have to scoop litter no more. I mean, yeah, I miss her obviously, ⁓ you know, I'm moving on.

Casey Tobin (09:20)
Yeah, yeah, it's part of life, right? Everything's eventual. I've taken on a lot of that thinking ⁓ is that it's funny because you you end up having the last conversation with every person you ever meet at some point. Most of the time, it's the first conversation you have with them. like, you know, like, and I don't I try not to hold on to it too much because we'll we'll all be part of the same things all over again at some point, without a doubt.

even when we're not, you know? That's way I look at it. ⁓

Rich Marks The Spot (09:53)
With your

beard you kind of look like that meathead social media guy from like 10 years ago that had all the girls around him all the time. Yeah, you are sexy with that beard, man.

Casey Tobin (10:01)
Christian Bilzerian is who you're thinking of. Yeah, I do my best, man. I do, I'm

trying to keep it going, you know? You hit 40 and it's like, all right, gotta do something here. Actually, the last time I was there, the barber took too much off for my liking, but whatever, it's all good, it's all good. So yeah, man, so like other than, like snowboarding is probably my like main winter hobby, like any normal person that's out here, but.

I also play lot of disc golf, so like all summer. I'll be getting out, getting up to the mountains, throwing frisbees around. ⁓ Yeah, it's a lot of fun when I'm not doing those things. I do a lot of tabletop gaming these days, like high level strategy tabletop games.

Rich Marks The Spot (10:51)
Is that like, katan and ⁓ stuff like that?

Casey Tobin (10:54)
Yeah, Katana is like the game that most people kind of know of and that's a very baseline boring kind of Strategy games to me. ⁓ I like like terraforming Mars is always a good example It's a very like well-known game. But yeah, I play a lot of games Set up a lot of game nights and I also drink a lot because I'm in restaurants right now I work at a I work at a high-end steakhouse in Denver which

Sucks, honestly. ⁓

Rich Marks The Spot (11:27)
sucks because you know the industry or sucks because you just don't like the clientele.

Casey Tobin (11:30)
Because that'll...

No, it sucks because the, I don't make enough money for what I'm doing. I should be making probably double what I am the way that the tip pooling goes. But that's the story I don't want to get into too much.

Rich Marks The Spot (11:48)
That's

because you're outside of Massachusetts.

Casey Tobin (11:51)
maybe. No, ⁓ I can make more money out of Denny's the way that the tip structure is, which sucks. That's all. But it's all very temporary. ⁓ after like 10 years in banking, I decided I don't want to be in banking anymore. ⁓ I've had enough. I'm not trying to drink the Kool-Aid. The corporate structure of it is such bullshit I can't fucking take it. Sucks. Right?

Rich Marks The Spot (11:53)
Slower pace.

Who can?

Casey Tobin (12:20)
So what I did was over the last six months, I also went back to school. ⁓ went and got, I took an HVAC certification class and I'm working on getting my EPA certification for like transporting refrigerants. And then I'm going to be getting an apprenticeship and I'm going to look to start my own business because I'm just tired of working for other people, man, honestly.

Rich Marks The Spot (12:42)
Working with your hands is fun. I don't know if you know this about me. I was a apprentice for Electrical for two years, right around COVID because I was lost as what to do also. Like my brother-in-law is an electrician, so I just went and started being his apprentice and doing marketing for him also. Did you go to Denver alone or with someone?

Casey Tobin (12:48)
That's awesome. Yeah. ⁓

No, I came alone. So that was, I mean, that was a big part of it. didn't, I wanted to do this for me. I didn't really want to, like, I don't know. I like, it's hard to try to, like, I don't want to bring anybody else along or force anybody to do anything if they don't want to. like,

You know.

Rich Marks The Spot (13:34)
spoken like a true serial killer. Nah, I'm just playing.

Casey Tobin (13:39)
Usually

Rich Marks The Spot (13:42)
Only

in my movie, only in my second film could you play that character so well.

Casey Tobin (13:47)
can't wait to

kill, I'm gonna kill you!

Rich Marks The Spot (13:53)
That was kind of spot on as to what I asked you to do in the thing too.

Casey Tobin (13:57)
I'm ready for it bro, I'm ready. Yeah, put me in. You know I'm ready. Yeah man, but I like hanging out in divey bars and drinking good beer and finding good food and same bullshit that people do, you know? I don't know. How's everything been with you? How's your sister?

Rich Marks The Spot (14:09)
Yeah.

She's great. ⁓ I think they've been married for like 10 years at this point.

Casey Tobin (14:19)
Are they gonna be married by now, right?

Yeah, yeah, probably, right?

Rich Marks The Spot (14:28)
Dude, I haven't worked at Via in over 10 years. We went there for dinner the other night and I just did the math and I was like, whoa, it's been over 10 years.

Casey Tobin (14:40)
It goes by real quick, don't it?

Rich Marks The Spot (14:42)
⁓ did you work there when the game designer kid worked there? Someone makes games who worked there a while ago, like strategy games. Some kid Kazar or something?

Casey Tobin (14:55)
maybe it sounds familiar. ⁓

Rich Marks The Spot (14:58)
Well, when you started talking

about strategy games, I was like, I think someone who works there builds games. Like, they're trying to make it in that world.

Casey Tobin (15:07)
I've had some thoughts about building my own game a couple of different times. I've had some different ideas for that. I love coming up with different types of ideas. ⁓ Yeah, I've had a couple of different ideas for maybe social experiments or that sort of thing where I thought of one thing where if you wanted to, you could do a documentary or something like that on being homeless by forcing homelessness on yourself.

You literally just announce everything that you have and then you work through whatever public resources you can to then become a working model, a functioning part of society again. And then just see how difficult it is and talk to a lot of other people and ask them, hey, how did you get here? And do you even have any hope of living a different way?

Why do you live here instead of like Mexico City where it's a lot fucking warmer and nicer like in the wintertime like you know things of that nature where I think it'd be kind of I think it'd be kind of a cool a social commentary on homelessness you know.

Rich Marks The Spot (16:25)
With the game things, do you have one that you kind of have been thinking about or is not, the idea's not ready to share yet?

Casey Tobin (16:36)
Well, ⁓ I wanted to, I mean, I had an idea for a board game where that was more, like, physically appealing. One where you have, little, I don't know, like, little game pieces that are like a little bow and arrow, or like a catapult launcher, or, you know, all the guys you could load with, like, like an arrow or something like that where you could shoot at people and just have it all about, like, knocking down your opponent's castle.

with physical things and see if you know or on the other side of it for defense you can add like weight to the walls you you can have like sandbags to help protect you from you know just having your structure knocked over and things like that where you can play both attack and defense types of strategies. ⁓

Rich Marks The Spot (17:27)
like Napoleon.

Casey Tobin (17:29)
Well, I mean, almost more like you just got two castles, almost like the Capulets of the Monoghies, right? Like where you just like hate each other. The half-fields the McCoys, you have these two walls and you're just shooting at the other one or you're like adding defensive like weight to your walls to prevent the other people from knocking it down. You know what I mean? Like that kind of thing. Does that make sense?

Rich Marks The Spot (17:52)
It does, because it reminds me of a very dumb, like a higher level version of like Mousetrap. Remember that game in the 90s?

Casey Tobin (18:02)
Yeah, that game was something for sure. That game was something for sure, yeah.

Rich Marks The Spot (18:10)
So why Denver?

Casey Tobin (18:14)
I love expensive in California.

Rich Marks The Spot (18:18)
Plus, you start driving to California, and when you reach Denver, you're like, okay, I don't need to go any further. Like, 30 hours drive.

Casey Tobin (18:24)
Yeah,

I mean the mountains are crazy. I love being up in the mountains up here. ⁓ It's just so nice, it's so peaceful, it's so majestic. The reason that people want to live near the ocean is because they want the majesty of the ocean. It's so large and it's hard to really imagine all of what's happening, because it's a whole other world underneath it. And the mountains are lot like that too.

They have a certain amount of like majesty to them that is just you can't help but feel a little level of inner peace while you're out there and hanging out, you know? ⁓ So that's what I love about the mountains personally. ⁓ And Denver is a really nice city. Like I really like people are just friendlier here and I don't know, I have a good time pretty much everywhere that I go and there's

So much to do outdoors, there's always, you know, go down to Watch Park and play volleyball, or go up to Grand Lake and do some boating, do some hiking, you know, go see all these gorgeous, amazing places and, you know, just, it's great. I don't know, it's a great way of life. I mean, I've also kind of made it for myself out here. Like, I haven't needed anybody's help. I bought a condo, like, I've got somebody renting the other room and...

She's an awesome roommate, like she's just really chill. And ⁓ yeah, man, it's just been really awesome out here. I'm looking forward to being in the HVAC field here, because I mean, I literally just graduated like two weeks ago. So, and my sister is here on vacation this week. It's been a crazy frigging month, crazy month. Like classes were crazy. like my, gave up a very nice.

nine to five, you know, make whatever kind of living. I guess I was comfortable. I wasn't uncomfortable. Paid vacations, all that sort of thing. I gave that shit up and then when started working at this restaurant where I go in from like three or four until midnight and then I was taking my HVAC classes from seven to nine in the morning three days a week and I fucked my sleep schedule up. I don't make as much money. My shit is just.

I'm all over the place. I'm sleeping like two, three hours at a time, well that's six months. And then it all comes to a head and I have my final and I'm like cool. Now all I gotta do is like a 30 or 40 hour like EPA certification course. Like I'll take a little bit of time off, it's fine. And then the freaking Patriots get here in the AFC Championship.

And I was out at the bar watching the Houston game and the game gets over and I immediately turn around and spend $400 on a ticket to the AFC Championship. I'm like, yeah, I'm going to the game. I don't fucking care. And then 15 minutes later, my sister calls me and goes, hey, we're gonna come out for the championship, but we can't buy tickets because you needed a Colorado address to be able to buy tickets to that game.

She's like, can you buy us some tickets? So then I turned around and spent another 2,500 bucks on four tickets and sold my one ticket. And then my mom, my stepdad, and my nephew came out to visit last weekend just out of the fucking blue. So it was a crazy fucking weekend. And it was all sub-degree weather the whole time that they were here. So it was just, it was an absolutely insane visit. ⁓

that was totally unplanned and now my sister is here on a planned visit and it's like, it's just been a crazy month. And then right after she goes, I'm gonna be changing careers into one that I've, I really have never done before. I'm pretty handy, like I mean, I've done like painting and brick work and building restoration, like I've done all that stuff. Like you said, there's a lot of satisfaction with working with your hands. ⁓ You know, but now I'm doing electrical and

you know, refrigerants and pressurized systems and you know, a lot of heat and things that you can blow yourself up and kill yourself anytime if you just do something stupid, right? So like, it's just gonna be a little different. ⁓ But I'm looking forward to it, man. Like, I just wanna get my own shit going, right? Like, having your own shit going is the way to go.

Rich Marks The Spot (23:13)
Yeah, my first client ever was ⁓ a handyman. So I've always been connecting with home service businesses. So if you ever want to talk through some stuff, I'm always a phone call away too. Not saying I have the answers, because I don't. But if you need to vent or like, hey, ask one of your friends a question or something, I definitely can link you up with some people.

Casey Tobin (23:27)
you

Love it, man.

Cool man. So you said you're out in West Brookfield now? Yeah. How do you like it out kind of in the boonies there?

Rich Marks The Spot (23:45)
Yeah.

Sup.

We've got the sub-zero temperatures here too for the past two weeks. ⁓ I love it, because growing up, my whole thing was like I always wanted my own house. You know, living in three deckers of Wusser, that was like to me was like the goal of life. Like if you could have your own house, you made it. So like having my own place, we got an acre of land, know, I set like jungle gyms up for the kids. There's a frog pond with a private road we could ride our bikes on.

Casey Tobin (24:03)
Thank ⁓

man that does that sounds awesome so you so you're married you got kids all that stuff

Rich Marks The Spot (24:24)
Yeah, it's cool.

Trace, I got a six month old, a three year old, and a five year old. Thank you. And you know Cassie, Cassie, ⁓ my wife, you know her.

Casey Tobin (24:35)
Congratulations man, that's awesome. Yeah? ⁓

yeah, yeah I do know Cassie. That's awesome, yeah.

Rich Marks The Spot (24:44)
We met at

VIA, actually our daughter's name is Vienna and we call her VIA.

Casey Tobin (24:50)
That's awesome. Hell yeah. Fuck yeah, man. That's great. And you got a house, a frog pond, and that's living the American dream, man. Living the American dream.

Rich Marks The Spot (25:04)
It's pretty sweet and I got a man cave. That's where I'm at right now.

Casey Tobin (25:08)
Yeah, where you have your hobbies and you make your podcasts and catch up with people. How many people have you caught up with through this?

Rich Marks The Spot (25:18)
and I've got like 27 on deck.

Casey Tobin (25:22)
Hell yeah, bro. Hell yeah.

Rich Marks The Spot (25:23)
So every week,

every week I just send out like a mass message to like eight or 10 people. I'm like, hey, I wanna film at some point. If you're down, hit me up. And that's kinda how people have been like, yeah, I'll do it today or I'll do it tomorrow. And that's how it's been going.

Casey Tobin (25:38)
That's awesome, man. What made you, did you just get inspired or did just like, you know, just all of sudden you're like, you know what, I miss talking to X, Y, Z or whoever. And you're like, you know what, I can make a whole show about that.

Rich Marks The Spot (25:53)
I think last year I wanted to get, making some more content, cause I was enjoying, I did like a couple of live streams, more so because I wanted to learn how to use live stream software. And then a goal of mine was to network more.

Casey Tobin (26:06)
Okay. ⁓

Rich Marks The Spot (26:10)
with people in marketing because I'm a self-taught marketer, so I was like, all right, I need to go out and network with people. I've got questions. I want to see what they're doing. I want to see if what I'm doing is right. I want to absorb their processes and systems and just be around more people who do what I do because I'm always just alone in it. That's when I said, ⁓ I should do

a meaningful piece of content.

Casey Tobin (26:38)
Well that's the... ⁓

Rich Marks The Spot (26:40)
And that's 20 year timeout.

I just wanted to do something where it was like consecutive and consistent. And the most fun thing I could think of was like trying to find people I couldn't find on Facebook. And then it turned into, I could be talking to all people I lost contact with.

Casey Tobin (26:57)
Sure, hell yeah. Like, I think it's awesome. Like, that's one of those things where, so, ⁓ I had this other idea for more of a social experiment kind of thing. ⁓ And what the idea was was to contact everybody that's a Facebook friend of yours ⁓ through the most direct means that you can.

and then just kind of see where it goes, right? And with the objective of wanting to get together and have a cup of coffee and catch up with every single person that your friend was on Facebook, if possible, right? I mean, obviously there'll be things, it's a wild idea, right? Like.

Rich Marks The Spot (27:43)
That's wild idea.

That could be

like 2,200 cups of coffee.

Casey Tobin (27:49)
I mean, it could take it could take a few years. But I think what's going to end up happening is that you're going to get, you know, a lot of no responses from people. And I think most of those people you're like, all right, well, maybe I'm going to take them off of my friend list as friends on Facebook. Or you have people that are just like, No, I don't want to have coffee with you. What are you talking about? And they come off of the list as well. But like, eventually, if you don't connect with people,

They're just going to come off because they're not actually like your real friends. But I think you would also then just end up connecting with people that you didn't think that you even would. And you might also make additional friends by them inviting you to hang out with their friends and that sort of thing. Right. So like and the goal of the entire experiment would be to narrow down and have your Facebook friend list be a list of your actual friends that you are in contact with.

you want to have as being like, you know, they're a part of your life regularly and that sort of thing, right? Or maybe sometimes it's just people were like, yeah, no, we hung out once and it's so nice to connect with them every few years, but we don't really talk all that much. like, have it just be more of what the original intent of Facebook was intended, right? Like, cause that's it's really intended to be, is a place where you and your friends can share a little bit more intimately.

as opposed to it turning into all this hype and commercialism and look at my nails that I just got done today and what I'm having for dinner. Like who the fuck cares, right? Nobody cares.

Rich Marks The Spot (29:25)
You're nailing it on

the head, dude, because that is truly what I felt. I was like, if I post something on Facebook, nobody really likes or comments anymore. There's no engagement. And also, I kind of like moving away from that. I like moving back into this, and I don't know how you described it earlier, but like in a space of like being there, being present, rather than like sitting in social media and sharing. This kid I, ⁓ go ahead.

Casey Tobin (29:47)
Yeah, and then sharing your life with the people that want to share it with you. Yeah. With the people, with... Yeah.

No, I was just going say with the right people that also want to share their lives with you. Like, that's the point of the whole thing. And I think it would make, I think that would make for a really cool, like, not only social experiment, but like, you know, even like a documentary about like, about Facebook. And I think that that would sell very easily if I really wanted to like...

Sell it. Here's the thing, I'm not on Facebook.

So that's a thing. You know?

Rich Marks The Spot (30:22)
And

that's kind of how it started. was like, wow, a lot of people I remember from my past aren't on Facebook, so how do I even get in contact with them?

Casey Tobin (30:31)
I love that you, I love that I still have the same number, because you just texted me. That shit was so fun to be like, yeah, hell yeah. That's so.

Rich Marks The Spot (30:35)
Yeah, I, yeah.

And it wasn't even

like we skipped a beat. You weren't like, wait, who is this? It was just like, yeah, I'll link up with you and do the podcast. There was no like back and forth. It was like quick and easy. And that was yesterday. And we're talking today, so.

Casey Tobin (30:44)
Down, down, sure. Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah, it's awesome. That's great. You know, because I love it. you know, like I always appreciate like, hey, if you're somebody that wants to reach out to me for whatever it is, you know, like I appreciate you reaching out and I'm happy to help and do whatever I possibly can, you know, and also it's just great to catch up and hear about what you got going on. Like, damn, Yeah.

Rich Marks The Spot (30:55)
What?

Remember

that, what was that cool bar you took me and Cheryl to in Boston where your friend was making all these unique cocktails that time?

Casey Tobin (31:23)
Wait, did we go to the top of hub? Oh no, he was working over on...

Rich Marks The Spot (31:25)
Hi

It was like a speakeasy,

but those cocktails were like, one was like an Encelada Mista salad martini. It was meant to be drank before your dinner as a salad course and it tasted like a salad vinaigrette.

Casey Tobin (31:44)
Oh, okay. Yeah, no, I do. do. Where were we? We were... Dude, my buddy moved around to a couple of different bars at that time, too. I'm not 100 % sure. I don't remember the name of that spot. I remember where it is. But like, yeah, hell yeah. Hell yeah, bro. Dude, we had...

Rich Marks The Spot (31:57)
Yeah, I remember the time we spent there, it was fun. And we went

to that all night jazz bar too that spent around forever. I think they play jazz every day of the year.

Casey Tobin (32:10)
Jesus, I haven't even thought about that place.

Rich Marks The Spot (32:14)
It's by the top of the hub. can't remember the name of it.

Casey Tobin (32:17)
Yeah, I don't remember the name of that spot at

I just, haven't even, I haven't been out in Boston in so, yeah, no, it's fine. I was just saying, I'm like, I haven't been out in Boston in so long. It feels like now, that's something I was just thinking about. like, man, like, I haven't been out and like out there and yeah.

Rich Marks The Spot (32:26)
It... It don't matter.

I

don't go out. This is my out. I needed to start this because I need to get out. You know what I mean? Kids take a lot of your life and I'm happy for that. But I also, you know, it's good to have a hobby outside of that.

Casey Tobin (32:48)
Yeah.

Absolutely. Yeah.

Rich Marks The Spot (32:57)
I wanted

to, since we were talking about ...

why I was doing the podcast. Another reason is someday my kids are gonna wanna use social media, right? How do I explain to them that we can use it for positivity and good? We can create something and share it with the world and not really fear the judgment from people rather than being like consuming and just using social media as an anxiety, you know?

Casey Tobin (33:18)
after.

Okay. ⁓

Rich Marks The Spot (33:28)
something that's gonna bring you anxiety if you're just doom scrolling, it can be like a positive thing like, all right, you wanna use social media, I'm for it, but what are we gonna create and share with the world before we make the account? So like, how do you teach people to use social media for positivity, creativity, and I'm writing like a, I call it a book, but right now it's just a series of ideas

Casey Tobin (33:29)
Okay. ⁓

Rich Marks The Spot (33:53)
called Be Yourself Out Loud.

Casey Tobin (33:56)
Yeah, and I think I think that using social media to actually connect with people like you're doing right now is the right way. So I think this is gonna be I think it's gonna be a really good lesson, you know for the kids for sure like that's awesome as opposed to like you say just using it as a means to like quell whatever craving it is that you're having at the moment because

It is just, it's just a distraction from something else that you probably feel like you should be doing or could be doing. You're like, well, I don't want to, I don't want to deal with any of that stuff right now. So I'm just going to do scroll for awhile. And that's not like the right use of not only social media, but even just the internet in general, you know, like there's a lot of really good outlets. When it comes to, you know, like

a busy mind or you know, even like not wanting to do other things, a procrastinating person. So I think feel like that's where a lot of it comes from, Is I have 18 things to do and I don't know what to do and let me just check this one thing real quick and that turns into three hours of do-scrolling, right? So I think that that's a normal thing that happens. And like you say, it's almost like anxiety driven. Like that's good way to put it because it does.

It does feel that way a lot of the time where it's like, I don't know which of the 15 other projects I should be starting on. So like, I'm not going to do any of them and I'm just going to fuck off, you know? And don't get me wrong, there's a certain amount of that that's okay. You know, that's what video games do a lot of the time, but like, you know, you shouldn't disengage your mind for too long most of the time, right?

Rich Marks The Spot (35:35)
And then.

Yeah, what happens to a person's soul if they just lose their ⁓ desire to have a hobby outside of whatever they're doing through life? And then, you know, does that cause some anxiety or depression? Maybe? I'm no expert, I don't know. I just know what keeps me going and motivated.

Casey Tobin (35:48)
Thank

Yeah.

Yeah, for me, you gotta keep using your mind, you know? That's really... So the tabletop gaming. So the game that I play the absolute most is a game called Dune Imperium. And it's based on the lore of the Dune series, which, you know, with the movies coming out recently, a lot more people have...

a lot more information about. But the book series is phenomenal. I've read the first six and they're, I mean they get a little weird book four, book five, like those are weird books.

Rich Marks The Spot (36:35)
I'm a huge fan. ⁓

Casey Tobin (36:38)
Hell yeah. So if you've ever read the books, saw the movies, the board game is one of the best board games that's available. It's fun, it's engaging, it's high level strategy, crazy shit happens. ⁓ It's a phenomenal game. And if it's something where, I mean, I know you got a lot to do with three kids and your podcast and everything, but yeah, you got time? All right. Well.

Rich Marks The Spot (37:03)
I got time.

Casey Tobin (37:06)
We can get more into that. I use that.

Rich Marks The Spot (37:09)
shit, I

gotta go to work too, nevermind. Alright, keep going.

Casey Tobin (37:12)
Nah, I'm just saying like so I connect with friends of mine that are from even older than you know friends that I've known like you ⁓ like where it's like college level and We play games online through tabletop simulator on Steve the tabletop simulator is It's 20 bucks and you have access to every tabletop game Pretty much that was ever made. So like we play a variety of games online with each other

⁓ And that's a really fun way to connect with people in a different way than ⁓ a lot of social media and stuff like that. Yeah. it's awesome. Yeah, I play with my sister that's here visiting. We play Wingspan once every couple of weeks. I play Dune with people that are in California, North Dakota, Florida, just people that I've...

Rich Marks The Spot (37:51)
Yeah, I've never done anything like that.

Casey Tobin (38:11)
connected with over the years. And so it's really, really fun. Everybody that I show it to that has any real level of intelligence on how high level strategy games work, they're just like, yeah, this is amazing. I keep wanting to play more and more and more and more. So it's been a lot of fun. It's been a great mental thing to help along with the physical other activities that.

and hobbies that I have. I mean, I'm not sure if you remember, but I used to do rock climbing every week when I was there. So I was rock climbing three to five times a week. ⁓ And that was also one of the reasons that I also wanted to get out of there was, ⁓ the girl that I was with for a little over two years, ⁓ we were climbers together and it really fucked up my climbing group a lot after we broke up and...

So I wasn't really into that as much anymore. And honestly, like I came up to Colorado and did it a little while, but people are so freaking serious here about it. So it's just not, it's not the same. There it was a little more social and hanging out. We had a good friend group with it. It was like my secondary family outside of my via family, outside of my actual family, you know, like, and it was, it was, that was my main hobby back then. And then snowboarding, it's funny because I actually,

I started snowboarding in Massachusetts during COVID. It was so cheap. ⁓ It was like 40 bucks to go out to Mount Wachoo-sit. And I went 10 times. And then I moved out to Colorado and I learned what real mountains are. you like Mount Wachoo-sit is this little fucking hill. It's stupid. It's ridiculous. I came out to here. I went up to my first mountain. I was like, holy fuck, like where the fuck am I like?

Rich Marks The Spot (39:57)
you

Casey Tobin (40:07)
It was a little scary. I had to take some deep breaths because I was at 11, 12,000 feet. You got to breathe a couple of times before you do anything at that level. Even now, I live at 5,000 feet above sea level, but when I go up to the mountains, I'm going up 3,000, 4,000 feet in a day. So it's crazy. I've had so many crazy things that have happened.

I regard myself as a... I got married, I got divorced, which is fine, all that's fine. It happens. Yeah, you know. ⁓ I also identify as polyamorous now, which I could talk about that for hours as well. That's something that not a lot of people...

Rich Marks The Spot (40:48)
happens, happens to the best of us.

Casey Tobin (41:07)
are very well educated on the ins and outs of. ⁓ And that's fine. It'd be nice if more people were a little more open minded to it and understood the good qualities of it because people just kind of shit on it, you know? And that's okay. I don't...

Rich Marks The Spot (41:25)
That's

what you can date multiple partners?

Casey Tobin (41:29)
Most people have multiple partners, yeah. And ⁓ so usually it's just a wide variety. I only date women. ⁓ Yeah, no, I only date women. But there is a multiple variety and everybody's a little gay, you know, so whatever. ⁓

Rich Marks The Spot (41:34)
Only women or men too.

That was my question.

I used to dance, bro. All right, let's keep it moving.

Casey Tobin (41:54)
Yeah.

⁓ So that's kind of something, you know, that's a little different about me, but not really. I was always super flirty and dating a lot anyways when I was back there. Now I'm just a little more honest about it with everybody that's involved is really what it is. And that's the way I feel about it ⁓ is I'm just happy to be honest with people about it and be like, you can make your own fucking choice. You don't want to date me anymore.

Just because you're the third person I'm dating, that's on you, I don't care.

Rich Marks The Spot (42:27)
Did you, were you the person who was writing a book on dating?

Casey Tobin (42:31)
Yes, yes. I never published it, but ⁓ yeah, it was about getting to your second date. I can get anybody.

Rich Marks The Spot (42:41)
⁓

that's right. That's right. I remember that.

Casey Tobin (42:44)
Yeah,

I can get anybody to two dates, anybody, I don't care who you are. It's not that hard. It's about changing your mindset a little bit about it, right? If you go out with the intention of getting 10 nos, it won't happen. Go out and ask out 10 girls. There is no way that all 10 say no. And if that doesn't work, then well.

Maybe you need a joke or something. Here, here's a couple jokes. And then go get 10 more nos. And then just go tell them, look, I just, you know, here's my name. I think you're pretty. I want to take you out. That's it. Three things, bang, bang, boom. And that's it. You know, if you, if you say that to 10 women and they all say no, well, no, I don't know. Maybe we'll, maybe we'll take another look, but it just doesn't happen that often. Right? Like, I don't know. That's a pretty just straightforward.

confident kind of that was anyway anyways one of the many principles in the book I was writing about about it yeah yeah yeah

Rich Marks The Spot (43:49)
If all else fails,

grow a curly mustache.

Casey Tobin (43:52)
Ooh, yeah, having a nice beard doesn't hurt anybody. Not at all. Yeah, man. So, ⁓ cool. What are you doing for a day job? You said this is more of a hobby, right?

Rich Marks The Spot (44:08)
Yeah, manufacturing marketing. So I'm a solo marketer at a manufacturing company. Yeah.

Casey Tobin (44:13)
specific manufacturing, mean specific

marketing for, okay. Yeah, so like you said, trades, that's what you were saying. Hell yeah.

Rich Marks The Spot (44:17)
Yeah.

And then, yeah,

outside of my day job, I like to work with home service businesses. Because, you know, they always have a million requests. Can you help me with this? Can you help automate this? Can you help me with my CRM? Do you do video? Do you do photography, social media, email marketing, you know? A slew of stuff.

Casey Tobin (44:33)
you

Hell yeah, yeah, no I'm sure that I'm sure that an own your own personal business especially in marketing is usually a Much better way I mean it's good to have a base but at the same time You can do a bunch of side gigs and make a little bit of money here and there Helping people out and and then also even just getting the knowledge about their specific industries and that sort of thing like yeah, I can be That's really cool, man. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. I love it, dude. It's like

It's almost like we're adults now, huh? It's fucking weird.

Rich Marks The Spot (45:10)
No.

Yeah, you could say that, but if you saw me right now in this man cave, you'd be like, I don't think that guy's an adult yet.

Casey Tobin (45:18)
don't know man, adults are different these days. Like I said, almost like an adult. Buying places and having families and all that. Oh, I went the other way by the way with that. I had a vasectomy a couple years ago. No kids for me. I'm good, I'm good on kids. I just don't need it in my life.

Rich Marks The Spot (45:25)
Yeah.

I know, I'm like debating on whether to do that or not.

Casey Tobin (45:46)
Yeah, I mean you've already if you've already got three kids like Yeah, that's a good idea ⁓ Didn't it doesn't like? Affect me in any real way So like and it actually makes my life easier I don't have to worry about the chance of me impregnating somebody that I'm Casually dating and that sort of thing right and I already know that don't want to be like an old dad if I was gonna like get married and have kids

it would have been a long time ago, you know, that sort of thing. Well, I mean, I did get married, but that was not about having a family and kids. That was different, man. That was more for helping somebody out that needed some help, kind of thing. ⁓

Rich Marks The Spot (46:30)
Well,

I mean, you're under 50, so, you know what? I know two people who are over 60 who just had babies.

Casey Tobin (46:40)
I mean, fuck dude, that sounds... That's so wild. That's a totally different life. Like, I can't even... Yeah, I don't know why would you do that. Why?

Rich Marks The Spot (46:43)
Wilds. Wilds.

You know what, you're a beautiful human being and it's cool if you don't want to have kids, but if you did have some kids, I think you'd be a great dad.

Casey Tobin (47:04)
Thanks, man. I appreciate that Yeah, you know I mean we'll see how it goes You know my oldest sister has a couple of kids actually my nephew Turner came out for the game He's 17 and he loves it out here. They came out to visit last summer, and I was like yeah, man I'm going to trade school like if you want to come out here. You should go to trade school. We get over to business together

And he might do it actually. He seems really on board. He loved being here. And so that would be really cool, man. I'd kinda get to, you know, play surrogate dad a little bit, but not even really. Like he's almost an adult himself, but I could still show him some cool things and you know, we'll hang out and show him how to do things the right way and the wrong way and live through all of it. Cause that's the main thing is shit. Like you say, like dude, that friggin'

That house, that house that they were living on, that they condemned, that shit was crazy. Like, I can't even believe, dude, when we were making those videos, that whole place was so bad, it was so bad. You know, there was, every surface of everything was covered with empty trash. It was, it was so, that place, I can't even, ⁓

Rich Marks The Spot (48:20)
Well, to fill all the listeners in, it was a place on Hollywood Street in Worcester, Massachusetts. The house was built in 1888 by an architect. I want to say his name is Worthing Barry. A beautiful mansion, ⁓ 12 bedrooms, all redone. But yeah, people were just kind of partying in it. And yeah, condemning. And it was condemned after a while, but it's beautiful.

Casey Tobin (48:23)
you

Yeah

Constantly. ⁓

Rich Marks The Spot (48:49)
And then we filmed a little short film there called Hollywood Street Movie.

Casey Tobin (48:53)
Hollywood Street baby, let's go. It was fun. We had a blast. That was so much fun. Yeah. Yeah, I think about the old crew. I think about, you know, all those guys all the time. Actually, you know, it's funny. ⁓ Of the people at VIA, I ended up keeping in touch and I haven't actually even talked to them that much. But I could call them the same way that I could text them the same way you texted me would be. ⁓

Britney, ⁓ Dave, and Sam. They would have been the ones that I would have been able, like I could just call and be like, hey, you know, let's just chill out. Let's hang. Let's reconnect. They'd be like, hell yeah. What are you up to? Absolutely. You know, know what's funny too is ⁓ Ashley, your sister, we use her, her name is like code name, like code slang for.

cocaine out here. You know, like, hey, I'm I'm looking to hang out with Ashley Marchesky tonight. No, no, full name. Because it is the whitest white girl name you've ever heard in your life. And that's I'm looking for. I'm looking for that white white, you know what I'm saying? Give me that white white, baby.

Rich Marks The Spot (49:55)
Ash?

I hope you're not hitting the pow on the mountain and then hitting the pow in the basement.

Casey Tobin (50:19)
Nah, bro, we don't we don't hit the pow and then and then hit the mountains that's fucking stupid We I mean we do a little acid from time to time on we're all the mountains, but that's totally different That's crazy. We have some crazy days up there. Yeah. Hell. Yeah, bro, dude, Colorado people just offer you drugs regularly. It just happens it's

Rich Marks The Spot (50:38)
yeah, they were

first to legalize marijuana, ⁓

Casey Tobin (50:42)
Yeah. Yeah. And mushrooms are out here. Mushrooms are legal too. yeah, it's.

Rich Marks The Spot (50:48)
probably

coming to a state near you, right?

Casey Tobin (50:52)
Yes, absolutely. Absolutely. ⁓ Well, cool, man. Well, I'm going to head back. I want to go catch back up with, I mean, my sister's only in town for a week, but I did want to catch up. I appreciate you reaching out to me. But yeah, man, I got to get back to vacationing with them. And ⁓ we could even look to do a follow up after they take off. I want to hear more about your project, see how it's going, ⁓ you know, all that sort of thing.

Rich Marks The Spot (51:08)
Fuck yeah, I'm having fun.

Casey Tobin (51:22)
Let's keep in touch. I appreciate you reaching out.

Rich Marks The Spot (51:24)
Yeah, thanks for agreeing to do this. Yeah, and let's definitely catch up again. Cheers.

Casey Tobin (51:30)
Hell yeah,

bro. Hey, cheers. Cheers to you for sure.

Rich Marks The Spot (51:34)
What do you drink in there, an IPA?

Casey Tobin (51:36)
⁓ no, actually just a cherry time. was a sour drinking sours. Yeah. Hell yeah, bro. Well, thanks again. It was a good catching up and I'll hit you up after, ⁓ after my sister takes off next week. All right. All right, rich. Good talking to you. All right. Later, bro.

Rich Marks The Spot (51:41)
it's sour. Sweet.

Please do. All right, have a good night.

Later.