SPEAKER_00 0:00

So there might be some people listening who don't know who you are. Frank is a friend I met in Worcester maybe ten years ago. And he started a nonprofit. Uh is it called Pillman?

SPEAKER_01 0:11

Yeah, it's Pillman uh Incorporated. But um I don't know if you can see this, but probably can't now you can't see that. But no, it's um it's basically uh yeah, somebody um that I really care about uh saw something that I didn't see, and uh he asked me if he could uh help me become a nonprofit. So uh he got me some clothing bins uh with pill man on them so I could help raise money to help people with addiction. It would actually help me raise money to go out there on the streets, to travel to different cities and towns, and um, so he helped me become a nonprofit and helped me get a couple clothing bins to get it out there. But I kind of messed it up because I didn't know anything about it and I didn't take it serious at first. So I kind of let it just go by. I did a few things with it. I always did something with Pillman. I always went out there and spent my own money out of my own pocket, and I still do. You know, I I um I feel like uh I'm supposed to really do this, okay? So uh, but uh no, I'm just uh trying to help people, and uh he's trying he tried to help me with this, and I didn't take it serious the first time, but now I fixed my nonprofit and I'm trying to uh trying to get myself out there, you know, in a bigger way. I want to go to different cities, I want to go to different towns. I'm uh very lucky. I uh I I got to change my whole entire life and uh my looks, uh my my I got to change everything. And now all I want to do is help people change and uh and let them realize that uh yeah, they're here for something special.

SPEAKER_00 1:51

And for everyone who doesn't know, Frank built a pill man, a literal mo what can I call it a monster?

SPEAKER_01 1:58

No, it's uh basically uh I was on Oxycontin and Methadone for 15 years. All right, from 1998 to 2013, I lived on OxyContin and Methadone. And for some reason I saved my pill bottles. I don't know why. There had to be a higher power that wanted me to do this, but for 15 years, I would take all my pill bottles every week, every month, and throw them in a trash bag. Through my divorce, through the years of all the crap I went through, I kept saving those bottles. And I never knew why. And then all of a sudden, I went into my doctor's office one day and they told me he was no longer a doctor, and I had to decide what I was gonna do. And that day I decided uh I had to change my life, and that's when I started to change it, but then I ended up with two trash bags full of pill bottles, and uh all I ever did was look at those bottles.

SPEAKER_00 2:50

Yeah, so while when you were saving them, were you uh saving them because you were like saving them because you knew what you were doing is wrong, or what goes through someone's mind to just hold on to that?

SPEAKER_01 3:04

I had no idea. All I did was save them. I had no clue what I was gonna do with them. Like I said, I had them two trash bags in a closet, and I just kept saving them and saving them. Then I went to my doctor's office, like I just said, they said he wasn't a doctor, and uh people kept saying, What are you gonna do with all those pill bottles? And the only thing I saw was me, because my name was on every single bottle for 15 years. I used to be, I used to was allowed 330 milligram oxygen in the morning and 12, 10 milligram methadone at night. So I had a lot of bottles. And um, I was in the Halloween, and I was in Halloween for years, and I had all kinds of different characters Hannibal, Lecter, Jason, Freddie Kruger, Michael Myers, Frankenstein, all the different characters. Well, I took a Frankenstein character and I basically stripped him down of all the Frankenstein clothes, everything, and I started adding pill bottles. And I wasn't doing it for anybody, I was only doing it for myself because I was going through recovery and um I was bored. And people said, What are you gonna do with those bottles? And I was I just started building pill man, and then all of a sudden I built them, and um my friend came over and walked into the walked into the kitchen and said, Pillman, looked right at the sculpture and looked at Pillman, and uh that's where the name came from, you know, and uh and then the next person came in my house and said, Wow, that's that's a sculpture, wow, you know, and I didn't look at any of that. I didn't think of any of that. Only thing I was thinking about is building something and uh I ended up building Pillman, and now Pillman has become very well known. I've I've uh got blessed. I I've traveled to different cities, I've got to the White House a few times, put Pillman there. I've uh had uh major stories done on Pillman, and uh I'm trying to get out there to really show people what addiction is, how you can start one and how you can really start to lose control.

SPEAKER_00 5:09

So you didn't consider yourself an artist before? Like you weren't doing the sculpture because you're a painter or you just liked Halloween and you saw the bat garbage bag full of pill bottles and you just started to make something?

SPEAKER_01 5:23

That's right. I didn't become an artist until I was 46. But the funny thing is, I grew up with an artist. My father was an artist and he built things out of uh out of cement and uh wire. He had his own museum, but I never thought of myself as an artist. I never thought of and I and sometimes I still don't. You know what I mean? The sculptures that I built, because now I have five of them, okay? And um, when I look at them, I wonder how I did it. Every sculpture I look at, it's like, I did that? I'm I'm I'm so surprised because I don't feel like it's my hands building it. I feel like there's a higher power that really wants me to show people what addiction is. And it's not just drugs and alcohol, and that's what my sculptures tried to show you. I have five different sculptures. I have one out of all cannabis, her name is Mary Jane. I have one out of all alcohol, his name is Blackout. I have one out of all energy drinks, his name is Gator. And then I have one out of uh all pills, that's pill man, that's me. And then I got one out of all different types of addictions. I got a cell phone in one hand, coffee in the other, food, TV, vapes, drugs, alcohol, sex, money, candy, lottery, you name it. I have it on one scalp shirt to show people it is not just drugs and alcohol. I tell people, go find me 20 healthy people right now. I want you to go outside your house seriously. It's not even a game or a joke nowadays. And I don't, I don't care what culture, what race, I don't care, between 20, 30, 40, and 50, now go find me 20 healthy people. And that's very serious, right? And how long will that actually take? But if I ask you to go find me 20 unhealthy people right now, how long do you think that will take? It's like this. It's unbelievable how bad we are wilting away. And that's exactly what I did for 15 years. I wilted away. And for the last five years of my recovery, I mean of me being addicted, I sat in a room and watched Lauren Order. I sat in the room and I walk, I rotted away. I didn't do anything. I didn't come out of my house. I would go to the store, do get what I needed, I'd come back, and I'd sit in my bedroom. I'd sit there, I'd smoke all day. I'd drink Mountain Dew. I smoked cigarettes for 30 years, two to three packs a day. I drank Mountain Dew soda over a 12-pack of Mountain Dew a day. And then all my pills and then alcohol and everything. And I wilted away. I was 125 pounds because I let these things end up controlling me. I didn't think I wanted anything else. That's all I thought I needed when I woke up was a cigarette, was a Mountain Dew, was a pill. It was all these bad things that I kept putting in me, and all I was was wilting and dying, and yeah. But I started to wake up. I started to realize that uh I don't need any of that. I wake up now, I only need a sip of water. I don't even need a sip of water. I can get up and just go. My mindset is totally different compared to what it used to be. Because before I would let things control me. Now I don't let anything control me.

SPEAKER_00 8:27

You're reincarnated.

SPEAKER_01 8:28

I really am. I really, really am. I got my life back in a very, very big way. And um, now I just want to show other people too, be careful, you know, and uh keep your eyes open. Be careful when you walk in these stores. Don't let the temptation take you to that register. Because the biggest thing, if you get a taste for that and you start to like it. Some people have never vaped before. They start, they take a hit. Wow, now they want vapes. Right? Food, same thing. You go in there and buy a burger, wow, I love that burger. What are you gonna do? You're gonna eat that burger seven days a week. What's gonna happen next month? You're gonna be you're gonna be heavier. Same thing with cigarettes, same thing with anything. I don't care what it is. You have to be careful, and that's my biggest thing. I'm afraid to try things nowadays because I'm afraid I'm gonna like it. I'm afraid I'm really gonna like it and I'm gonna lose control. So now I'm very careful what I what I put in my body, and and I never was before. I would bring all the junk home to my kids. I would bring the soda, I'd bring the candy, I'd I'd bring all of it. Okay. But uh my son drank Mountain Dew just about his whole childhood. His teeth rotted because it because of Mountain Dew and because of me. You know, I brought that stuff in that house. Those kids didn't bring that stuff. I brought it as a parent. And that's what I'm trying to show you, parent, to be careful what you're bringing into these houses. You have to be very, very careful. So uh, yeah, you don't uh get your kids addicted. You know, so yeah.

SPEAKER_00 9:58

When you bef right before you came a nonprofit, you said someone came into your apartment and recommended that, hey Frank, you should really take this to the next level. Was that someone in recovery too, or was it just a friend?

SPEAKER_01 10:12

Um, the first person I let in my house to meet Pillman, not my friends, was uh somebody from Worcester Magazine. And they did a story on me. And uh they did a big, big story on me actually when they brought me out. And um, and then other people started uh from Worcester Magazine. I met a professor from uh Worcester State College, and um I've got the honor of speaking there a bunch of times until she retired. But uh no, the more that basically that story got me out there, so uh more people got to know me.

SPEAKER_00 10:51

How did Worcester magazine pick the story up? Did you reach out to them?

SPEAKER_01 10:55

Yes. Actually, I brought a picture to Worcester Magazine when I first built it. And um I didn't know I didn't know anything about what I was doing. You know, I didn't even know we had a uh a problem back then, you know. And um because uh I didn't care about I didn't know about the problem because I had a problem with my me and my own family. So that's the only thing I was thinking about, okay? I wasn't thinking about the problem that we had with all the drugs and all the doctors doing all this bad, bad stuff. I I didn't think about it because I didn't know anything about that. All I knew is that I was going through my recovery. I was quitting pills and I was building a sculpture, and uh my family uh were going through all kinds of addictions, especially with pills and drugs too. So uh, but uh no. Um no, the the magazine really helped me get them out there when I first started.

SPEAKER_00 11:43

So when you first built Pillman, did were you just sitting in your room for weeks staring at it, or right away did you get inspired to do to let people know about it?

SPEAKER_01 11:54

Well, it took me um Pillman's the longest sculpture because it took me three months. I had a Frankenstein uh basically statue, and I basically started adding the pill bottles, and every day I would add different bottles, and he was kind of my roommate for three months. So he would be at the end of my bed, and I would wake up and I would add another bottle, I would add another bottle, and I'd I'd he was a couple different ways until I got him the way he is now. But uh he's been I mean, he's been he's been through a lot in 13 years. He's been hit by a car, he's uh he's been through a lot. He's been in a windstorm, but uh everything. Been at the White House. He's been at the White House, yeah. He's been at the White House. He's uh met a bunch of politicians um a few years ago when Trump became uh president, first president. I had him uh meet all kinds of different candidates. I was traveling to all different places to bring Pillman to ask them what are they gonna do about the drugs on our planet? You know, seriously, we have a serious issue with these things and not just drugs, but uh yeah, that's what I was doing. I was going to see all the different candidates, and uh yeah, I got to get out there a little bit more, and uh that's my mission now. My mission now is uh just to get out there and let people see him. And uh once people see him, then I get to really show what happened to me, you know, because people come up to Pillman and look at my sculpture, the biggest thing they see are my name on every single bottle. And the dates, like I said, from 1998 to 2013, they're all on there. Okay, it's only one man, and that's what I'm trying to show people. It can happen to any of us, and it does.

SPEAKER_00 13:38

So are you trying to go to war with like the companies that are providing these drugs, or do you think it's up to the person, the individual, to say, yes, this is on the shelves, but no, it's not gonna be what controls my life?

SPEAKER_01 13:54

Look, I'm not going to war with anybody. Okay, nobody. I want to help them learn how to educate us. I want them to learn how to make sure when they put a product out there, it's not gonna have side effects. Because most of these drugs, that's exactly what they do. Once you start some of these drugs like oxycontin or methadone, once you start them, then you have to stay on them for a long period of time, okay, until they start weaning you off. And that's the problem with some of our uh programs, like the methadone clinic. Okay, my brother was on liquid methadose for 20 years. When I decided to quit pills, I was about, uh, my brother was on it for about 10 years, methadone. And he would wake up every single morning like most families members do now, still today, and they have to go stand in line to get a drink of methadose. And if they don't get that drink, they can't be motivated for the day. And my brother, for 10 years, he would wake up, he'd go get that drink, and he'd go to work. But if he's in work, he would sit there and he'd nod off. These things had like so many different side effects. And um, so when I finally quit, I had to find a recovery. And my doctors suggested, why don't you do liquid methadose? And I said, There's no way I'm doing liquid methodose. My brother's been on it for 10 years. My brother was on it 20 years when I finally decided to quit my pills. 20 years my brother went to that clinic. That's not right. Nobody should be going to any clinic for 20 years. My brother had two different families, two sets of kids, three and three, and both families saw those clinics and saw my brother wilt away. My brother, when he passed away, he looked like he was 70 years old. All these things that he was doing for all these years, the cigarettes, the drugs, he wasn't taking care of himself. He didn't want to have any of those side effects. So what's what what was he doing? He was putting more things in his body that he wasn't supposed to. You know, and um and that's what we're doing. You know, we're we're really uh Yeah, we're really rotting away, man. We're we're wilting away, we're rotten away, and um I wanna I want to help stop that.

SPEAKER_00 16:05

Do you think it's good that Massachusetts lets all these dispensaries just sell weed every uh in the communities?

SPEAKER_01 16:13

That's why I built Mary Jane. See, when I was a kid, what was on the street was has hash, maybe, okay, but mostly it was weed, okay? It was a joint. But nowadays, that's why I built Mary Jane, because I built Mary Jane out of all the different things that they're making out of marijuana now. Because it is not just a joint. There are so many things out there that people are getting addicted to, you know, and uh I want to show them be careful of the different marijuana because now they're making, you know, the oils, now they're making uh they're making uh edibles, they're they're making oils, they're making, you name it, they are making it out of marijuana. It is insane what they have done, but people are just doing these, like the dabs. The dabs are like really bad, you know, and uh potent.

SPEAKER_00 17:02

It's so potent.

SPEAKER_01 17:03

That's right, that's right. I heard I hear very bad things about the dabs, but yeah, people that just keep making things and making things, and the only thing we're doing is trying these. And that's the thing. Once we try it, we got to taste. We like it. Now we're back in line. Okay, and uh now you have uh dispensaries everywhere, right? You have vape, you have vape stores everywhere. There's over, I think there's 25 vape stores in Worcester County alone. I don't know. There was me neither. 25 of them, and those respiratory black lung, popcorn lung, collapse lung. Okay? And we just learned now within 10 years, okay. Cigarettes, I smoke cigarettes for 30 years, okay? And we knew cigarettes were bad, but we never knew how really bad they are. But now we do. The science is out there now. Now we have the technology to really test these things, and we're getting some really bad results back. We think they're good for us, but we're learning, no, it's not. The energy drinks, the energy drinks are so bad, the the vapes are so bad, you know, and uh the alcohol, all of it. But what do we do? We go to work, we run to these stores, so we buy it, and then what do we do? We go back and we sit where? In that one room. Most people sit in one room in their house. It's either the kitchen, it's the living room, or it's their bedroom. But it's that one room that they'll sit there and they'll smoke all day, they'll sit there on their phone all day, they'll sit there and uh eat all day, sit there, smoke all day. I did so many of those things all day, all day, all day. You know, and uh I wasted so much time. I can't truly imagine a man I would be if I never let any of that stuff control me, you know, and uh yeah. I only got so many years now on this planet. Look, my mom passed away, okay? She had addictions. My father passed away New Year's Eve, he had addictions. My sister passed away Christmas night. Christmas, yeah, Christmas, yeah, Christmas, Christmas Eve night, yeah. She had addictions. My brother, two days before Thanksgiving. My whole family is gone. But somebody wants me to build these scalptures and wants me to make sure that you actually see what could happen to you. That's why I don't just build scelptures. I build basically body scelptures. I'm trying to show, and it could be a person, it could be any one of us. And uh, and it was me, it was my family, it was my friends, and what I do, I rotted away and I saw them rot away. And I actually saw some of them die. And now uh I'm trying to help that, I'm trying to stop that. I'm trying to help a lot of people understand, don't give up on yourselves, find out who you truly are. It's not gonna be it's look, it's not gonna be a good ride every day, it's gonna be a bumpy ride, okay? And this bumpy ride can make you do things that you don't want to do. Maybe alcohol will relax you a little bit, maybe it will. But eventually, what will it do? You know, same thing with the vapes. Eventually they'll relax you, but what's it gonna do later? You know, what kind of damage is gonna happen to you? And that's that's all I'm trying to do now with my scalptures. And uh it seems to be working. I just need to get out there more. I need to, I need, I need help, okay? Like I said, I'm a nonprofit. I'm terrible at this, but there is something really big here, okay? I've got honors, so to speak, at uh Boston University, Holy Cross, uh Worcester State College, the federal courthouse in Worcester. They've uh have a documentary about me at UMass Hospital, which is amazing. And then a couple years ago, I think it was, they did a story on me, and um they put me in over 5,000 doctor's offices across the country.

SPEAKER_00 20:48

Wow.

SPEAKER_01 20:49

You go into most doctors' offices and open one of those magazines that you sit there, they're still on the tables over there. You're still gonna see, you know, Pillman, which has been a huge honor. I went to the White House, and um there was uh somebody from uh I think I think it was Getty Images, but they took a picture of Pillman in front of the White House, and then Getty Images started selling it to other people. Well, um there was an author, I'm trying to think of his name. I can't think of his name, I'm sorry. Bill Bill Bryson, I think. But um basically um he wanted to write a book about uh how people uh in America deal with their addictions compared to how people deal with their addictions in Germany and France and how they take care of their how we take care of our body here and how they take care of their body and how much more healthier they are than we are. Is there a big difference in a huge difference because they don't allow a lot of the crap and a lot of color and a lot of uh just the crap in their products like like America does. Okay. And uh America, God, you go to any one of these stores and you're getting all kinds of flavor in, you're getting all kinds of different sugars now. It's insane. Insane. It's insane. And uh, but are these things good? I don't know. You know, and uh after time you see most of them are not. Most of them are not. But I'm like I said, I'm not trying to stop anyone from doing any of these things, okay? I'm not I I can't do that. I can't stop you. But what I can do is make sure that your eyes are opened. Check your house. If you're a smoker, are you saving the packs? And how many packs are in the corner? How about alcohol? Are you saving the bottles? Like I did with the pills. Are you just looking at these uh empty containers around your house? Are you starting to see yourself in the mirror? Go take a look at the picture that you look like when you were 20. Then go take a picture. Go take a look at the picture you look like at twenty-five. I didn't do that. Nobody told me that I was looking bad back then. You know, and uh I wish they did. But uh nobody did. Nobody did.

SPEAKER_00 22:56

What you're you grew up in Worcester, right?

SPEAKER_01 23:01

Yes. No, no, no, no. I grew up in Boston. I grew up in Chelsea.

SPEAKER_00 23:04

I grew up in Chelsea. Is that where your father did his sculptures?

SPEAKER_01 23:07

Yes. My father was an artist in Chelsea. He actually had his own museum. Um he used to uh travel to different malls and do shows. Uh but my father was, you know, he never really blew it up because it wasn't the internet back then, you know. And uh he was in the paper all the time for his painting and his sculptures, you know, they do different stories. So uh no, my father uh he was a quiet artist, but he was uh it was amazing. He actually uh did a picture for uh uh when Jimmy Carter was a president, he did a picture and uh they uh hung his picture up in the Jimmy Carter library. I've never gone there to see it, but I'm I I I don't know if it's still there. But back then he got a letter saying your picture will be hung up in the library, and uh yeah. So, but I never took art seriously. I never, you know, I enjoyed my father's art when I was a kid because my friends would all come over, would have ten kids sleeping at the house with my father's art. It was awesome, awesome. It was like a haunted house downstairs. But uh no, I never I never thought I was an artist, and sometimes I still don't think I'm an artist. I just think I'm somebody that's supposed to spread a very powerful message. I'm supposed to build an army and I'm supposed to bring it with me, and I'm supposed to make sure you see it. I'm gonna make sure you are you're gonna get the greatest vibe when you meet me. I'm gonna make sure you understand that you are here for one thing. You. Because if you take care of you, then you can help others. But if you don't take care of you, it's never gonna happen. You're never gonna be the real person that you should be.

SPEAKER_00 24:39

Have you ever thought about making like a beautiful angel sculpture? Like a heavenly, divine, like free of all these addictions type of sculpture?

SPEAKER_01 24:49

No, I have two more, I get two more sculptures coming out right now, but uh no. My my uh my mind is set on things that uh people need to be aware of. And the two I have coming next should be pretty nasty. I'm gonna make a kid, I'm doing a kid one, and uh I'm doing another one. I don't want to tell you what it is because yeah, I want to be uh yeah, mine and mine are my original, you know. Nobody's done what I've done. Okay, my story is very unique. Yeah, my story is very unique. And um, like I said, it starts with my first sculpture, and every one of the pill bottles has my name on it. So, you know, it's each one of these sculptures is uh some part of my, you know, my life. Like when I built Pill Man, I that was Pill Man, but my next sculpture was addiction. And addiction was made out of, like I said, the cell phone, food, coffee, video games, everything's on one sculpture, you know, and that was my second sculpture. And what I built that because for years all I thought about was all the things that I saw people get addicted to, and all the things that I got addicted to, you know? Like I don't drink coffee, but on my sculpture, there's a coffee in one hand and a cell phone in another hand. Because that's what people most of the time when they wake up, what do they do? They grab the things that they need. Me, excuse me, me before was a cigarette, was a Mountain Dew right away, you know, and uh now people are uh grabbing energy drinks, people are grabbing all kinds of this really bad stuff.

SPEAKER_00 26:20

The zins are real popular now, the lip pillows, the zins, that the nicotine they put in their lip. You see those?

SPEAKER_01 26:27

I've heard of those. I've heard of those.

SPEAKER_00 26:29

Those can't be good for you.

SPEAKER_01 26:31

No, none of those are good for you. I just actually picked up uh I do deliveries and um they needed my ID, and basically for chewing tobacco, you know, all of this stuff, you know, does damage after time, you know. So hopefully the time's on your side. Hopefully you quit in time. But most of us, we don't. Most of us you you start seeing, you know, you know, those things that you were just talking about. You know, they're gonna start doing damage in your mouth. They're gonna all of these things. No, there's no research on all those things. You know what I mean? Some of these things are very scary to me. You know, I'm I'm afraid to hit a vape. I really am. I'm afraid because I was um when I was building one of my scalpers addiction, somebody gave me a bunch of vapes. Well, I opened those vapes up. And when I opened the vapes up, it was like, wow, you know, there's a battery in there, there's wire in there, there's vape juice in there. And I noticed she dropped a couple vapes. Well, the battery juice mixed in with the vape juice, okay? And that can happen, and that's what these people are sucking in. They're not just sucking in the vape juice, they're sucking in the battery. And they gotta be very careful with these things because they don't see how these things are made. You know, if you're doing vapes, do me a favor, open it up. Open that vape up. If you got a view of them, open them up and see what you're smoking. Don't just smoke it because you see it's a closed container and it looks safe. There ain't nothing safe about it. You gotta really uh do research now. The biggest thing that you have on your side is a cell phone. Start doing your own research. Start looking into some of these things. See, Google, what does energy drinks do after time? What do vapes do after time? You know, and maybe that might wake you up. But look, people try to wake me up for many years, and I didn't get my life back until I was 46. People told me I should quit cigarettes, quit soda, should quit all this, but I didn't listen to them. I didn't do it until I finally wanted to do it. And when I finally wanted to do it, I started taking control. I started to realize, wow, I don't need a cigarette every morning. Wow, I don't need Mountain Dew, I don't need a cigarette, I don't need a pill, I don't need it. But for years, that's all I thought I did. I woke up and I had to have my pills. You know, my pills controlled me. There were times my kids, I was going through a divorce, and my kids would come over, but if I didn't have my pills, I would send them back home. I would put my pills and I would hide them in my room because my kids would have friends over, but then I would forget where my pills were. Well, I'd end up sending their friends and my children home because I didn't have my medicine and I was worried that I would have side effects with those kids. So I wasn't doing the right thing. I was lost. I needed that medication to to even wake up, to to focus, to concentrate. I needed that medicine. I thought. I thought until I really realized I don't need it. And that was the biggest thing, finally waking up after all these years.

SPEAKER_00 29:47

Did you substitute your old lifestyle with some new hobbies? You know, how did you get through that the first five years?

SPEAKER_01 29:55

Um when I quit, okay, I had somebody on my side, okay? Like my son. My son's handicapped, okay. They told me my son would never walk. Okay. My son lives on his own now. My son works at uh he works for the last few years. And um, so my son, my son has helped me in so many ways get my life back. You know, I was I took blocks of ice to freeze my body parts for almost a year, maybe a little over a year. And my son would make sure my a ice was ready for me. My son would bring me my ice, and I would sit in my bedroom and I'd cry some days because it was so bad the withdrawals, so bad with the pain. And I stopped these pills. And I would take ice and I would numb my chest, I would numb my head, I would numb my legs, get 15 minutes of sleep, let the withdrawals go and uh let the pain go, and then I wake up and all that would come back. I take more ice, I would numb myself, and that's how I quit. I don't suggest that for anybody because it was torture. You when you start these medications, you have to make sure you're coming off them the right way. The problem is now we have clinics that want you that trying to make you think this is the right way, like liquid methadose. Go stand in line. Like if you start doing oxycontin, well, when you quit when you're done, we want to send you to liquid methodose. No, there's other alternatives. You need to find out what they are and you need to make sure you're gonna do this the right way. Don't just stop anything. Alcohol, don't just stop alcohol, don't just stop, you know. Figure out the best alternative for you to get your life back so your body doesn't go into shock. Because that's exactly what your body's gonna do, is go into shock. If you ain't you've been drinking for five to ten years and all of a sudden just stop, that could be very dangerous. Okay, same thing with pills. It could be very, very dangerous. So please make sure you talk to the right person. Make sure you start talking to people, Google things, learn things.

SPEAKER_00 31:59

So were you doing the ice before the whole ice bath got real popular?

SPEAKER_01 32:04

Yes, I was. Yes, yes. My um how I got my life back now, this camera is, I don't know how good this is, but um, if you look up some of my social media, you'll see what I look like. Like I said, I was 125 pounds, I was underweight, I was uh my skin was very, very bad, very unhealthy. But I believe I found a fountain of youth. Okay, and um I've been uh using a sauna for the last over 10 years now, and I go to the gym and I go to sauna four to six times a week, and I sit in that sweat box at least 20 to 30 minutes a day, and I go in there and I sweat, and that saved my life. Because 30 years of smoking cigarettes, I sweated it out. 25 years of drinking Mountain Dew, I sweated it out. I got these bad things and I sweated them out. I started opening up my pores, I started, yeah. Now I walk into a room, it's like I'm a light bulb. It's insane what I look like. Now you can't see it on the camera, but my skin is insane because of the sauna. And uh my father, when I was a kid, he had a uh sauna and um he used to put it in the kitchen, it was like a box, and he would go in there and he'd sweat with the with the gray space food gray spacesuit on. And I used to think he was a nut. But when I finally uh stopped my pills, I went to the gym and I and that was the first room I went into. And uh I sat there and uh I I never left. I never left. I was there today, and I was there yesterday, and uh I feel oh my god, I feel great. You know, people people compliment me all the time. Are you a cop? Are you a doctor? Last night, are you a are you from the mafia? I had a customer, are you from the mafia? No, I'm Frank. But people think I look strong, people think I look healthy. Do you like wrestling? Do I like well? I did when I was a kid until I found out it was, you know, a lot of it was fake, and then I stopped watching it. But I I remember back in the day, Hulk Hogan, Mr. T. I was there at Boston Ma, you know, Square Gardens. I was there. You know, I saw all those great uh wrestlers back in the day. But then I saw uh 60-minute shows on a lot of it being fake, and I just stopped watching it. But uh no, people love it, it's entertainment, and uh let them enjoy it. But uh all that different stuff.

SPEAKER_00 34:30

There's a video of Triple H doing uh like a backsplash. Uh I don't they call it like a hit, you know, when a wrestler gets hit with the shoulder and they fall back.

SPEAKER_01 34:41

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 34:42

Yeah. That you know, the act of it is fake, but when Triple H hits the mat so hard, I'm like, that ain't fake.

SPEAKER_01 34:50

No, there's a no, there's a lot that's not fake, okay? But there is some fake, and that's what got me out of it. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00 34:56

It's theater.

SPEAKER_01 34:57

That's right. You go smack somebody and throw them on uh on um the floor like that or hit them with the chair, that's not fake, okay? I'm just saying what I saw, some of it, yeah. I just think, you know, it kind of turned me away from it. And uh yeah, I guess I was supposed to stop then. I don't know. I have no idea. But uh no, my biggest thing is uh I let my addiction get to me. I didn't care about uh people, I didn't care about my TV shows. All I wanted to do was make sure I had my pills so I didn't have those withdrawals. All I wanted to do is make sure I had my Mountain Dew because I like to taste it, but I guess I don't know what the hell it was. And the cigarettes. All I did was just all those all day. I could have like a uh uh like a belt with a back uh with a pack around me, and that's what I would have had. But I would have had my mountain, my my mountain dew, my cigarettes, my pills, alcohol, I would have had this. You know, I thought I was gonna, people were gonna bring me um, I thought I was gonna die, and people were gonna bring me Mountain Dew in my coffin. Seriously. I drank it so much, people kept seeing me all the time. That's that's it was glued to me. Mountain Dew, Mountain Dew, Mountain Dew, cigarettes, cigarettes, but I haven't had a I haven't had a pill in about almost 12 years now, I think. So yeah, uh 13 years. I haven't had a Mountain Dew, a cigarette in almost 12 years, and a Mountain Dew almost 11 years now. And I haven't had a Coke and a Pepsi in probably about 11 years. So uh I stopped all of it. I figured, you know, I I I tried. I figured, you know, I could stop that. Let's see what happens. Because when I when I quit the pills, I was still smoking three three packs of cigarettes a day, two to three packs of cigarettes, smoking them and wasting them. And somebody, one of my son's friends, he's like a he's like a son to me. He basically said, you know, you you're too weak to quit cigarettes. And it got to me. It got to me because wait a minute, I'm too weak. Wait a minute, I just quit oxycondomethadone a year before, one of the hardest drugs on this friggin' planet, and you're telling me I'm too weak? Well, a week later was my birthday. And I quit on my birthday. So every birthday now, I get to celebrate another year of cigarettes, which is absolutely insane because everybody, I would say, you have a cigarette, you have a cigarette, you have a cigarette, or do you need a cigarette? You need but that's all they ever saw me with a cigarette on a mountain dew. Now they don't see any of that. I come walking into the room, I don't need any of that now, and uh Yeah, it's pretty cool. It's pretty cool.

SPEAKER_00 37:18

Did you have an injury? Is that why you were prescribed oxycottin?

SPEAKER_01 37:22

Yes. I was a painter for many years, and I I uh I still have trouble with my right arm, but uh I couldn't uh use my right arm too much, and uh that's when they decided to do a surgery. And basically they went in uh the back of my neck here and they shaved a bone, and um I was still in pain, so then they suggested uh they did some more uh x-rays, cat scans, and then they found uh a crush disc. So they said we we need to replace that disc. So I said, okay. So they took the disc out, and then they took a piece of my hip bone and put a piece of my hip bone in to replace the disc. And then they put a titanium plate on there with four screws. So that's what I have in my neck now. And then I'm still in pain, and they say, Well, we need to do another surgery because it's another crushed disc. It's like, no, you've done two surgeries, I've had enough, and uh, that's when I just decided to go home and uh take the pills. And uh that's the thing about these pills, you know, they started me on five milligram, but then I moved up to ten, and I moved up to twenty, and I moved up to thirty, then I moved up to forty, and then I had eighties. Okay, that's what these things do.

SPEAKER_00 38:34

They go that high?

SPEAKER_01 38:36

Yeah, I got eighties. And uh the tolerance, basically you build a tolerance to some of these things.

SPEAKER_00 38:42

It's an opiate.

SPEAKER_01 38:43

Yeah, opiate alcohol, okay. Everything, yeah. More of these things, you just build it and you want more and more and more. But uh yeah, I um and that's when the doctor basically uh was doing uh a lot of uh oxies, and they said, Well, why don't we give you, you know, the oxies in the morning and we'll give you methadone at night? So that's when they started giving me 330 milligram oxycontin in the morning, and that's when I started getting 12, 10 milligram methadone at night. So I take the oxygen in the morning for my real severe pain, and for the afternoon in the night, I'd take the uh methadone, so I wouldn't have those withdrawals and I wouldn't eat oxies. But that was the thing. See, I didn't just quit oxies, I had to quit methadone. I quit oxies, and then I had to stay on methadone for another year, and then I had to quit those. So my body went through some really rough, you know, it went through a lot of stuff to basically.

SPEAKER_00 39:40

So you were still going to work. Like you would take the pills in the morning, go to work, and help work through the day to help with the pain, right?

SPEAKER_01 39:49

A lot of times, yes, and a lot of times no. No. I sat home and I didn't I just I just was in pain. No, I sat home and I was in pain. So uh how's your pain today? My pain is still there, but I I try to put my mind somewhere else. See, that's something I um I had to do a class at UMass Hospital, and um it was basically put your mind somewhere else when you're in pain. And I thought they were crazy, you know. At the time I was doing all my bad things, the cigarettes, the soda, the alcohol of it. And I went into this room and um it was for eight weeks. And uh there was a couple doctors that came in there and they would talk to you about, you know, how you can help your brain think about something else. And I thought they were crazy. It's like, you know, just give me my Mountain Dew. I don't want to listen to this. I don't want to listen to this. You know, this ain't gonna happen. Give me my cigarette. But as I went to the class, I started listening. I started paying attention, and I started doing what they were telling me. You know, when I wanted a cigarette, go do something else. I don't care what it is. When the minute you want that cigarette, go make a phone call. Go make your bed, go talk to somebody the minute you want it, and then keep doing that. Every time you want a drink, go do something else. Every time you want a cigarette, go do something else. And that's what I started to do. And the more I did that, my brain was switching. It wasn't always on that cigarette, it wasn't always on that pill, you know, and uh yeah, it was one of the worst things I wanted to do, but at the end was one of the greatest things I ever did. Because now my brain is like, I don't need that. I can just go do something. Just forget about, go do something. And then all of a sudden I forget about it. And that's kind of easy now because I'm an old man. You say as you get older, you know. Like I said, I was 46 when I decided to get my life back. I'm about to turn 59 years old. Okay, and uh Yeah, I did a lot of damage to my body. I did a lot of damage to my mind, and uh now I'm just trying to survive every day. And I'm trying to do that with my art, and I'm trying to do that, and uh Yeah, just trying to do that with my art and trying to help people. I I believe uh my family now are my angels. They stand beside me and uh they walk with me, and uh I get to really help a lot of people. And uh there's days that uh it's absolutely amazing how I can help somebody get their life back from my sculpture or just from me speaking to them or whatever. It's just so I feel so blessed and so honored. Whoever wants me to do this, I feel blessed. I feel truly blessed that they gave me an army and they want me to come. You know, I believe, listen, I believe in God. I I I you know I believe there's something out there. Okay, I don't know what there what it is, okay, but I believe there's something out there. And uh I believe uh God gave uh Jesus the cross, gave Moses the Ten Commandments, and gave Pillman gave me Pillman. And now I have to walk the streets. I gotta walk, I gotta go everywhere with Pillman and my other sculptures to open eyes. One of the coolest things I just did, I believe I saw you there. I went down uh St. Patrick's Day Parade and I walked that whole parade with Pillman straight down Park Ave and I turned around and I walked straight back. I did, I went with the parade, and then I went with the against the parade. And I showed thousands of people pill man. Because I'm trying to show them go home and clean out your medicine cabinets. Go home and make sure when your kid is sick, you're not gonna just take them to the hospital and let that dr let them give them a drug, learn about these things, make sure your kid is doing the right thing and make sure the kid is taking the right thing. You know, so and a lot we're not. We're not. The biggest thing the biggest thing, I'm sorry, the biggest thing we need to worry about is what when you go to bed, what are you leaving out? Are you leaving your cigarettes on the coffee table? Are you leaving alcohol on the coffee table? Are you leaving your vape on the coffee table? And when your children wake up in the morning and watches cartoons and they see all those things and you're sleeping, are they trying those things? And is that why they're gonna start getting addicted to those things? Because you brought them in the house. Be careful of that. Your kid doesn't deserve it. Because you like it doesn't mean your kid needs to. Right? You need to make sure that uh what you put in front of your child they grow and they're healthy. Like me, uh my son Mountain Dew, worst thing I ever did. You know? There's worst things you could do, but Of course, but no, but still, but Mountain Dew rotted my son's teeth. That's pretty bad to me, if you think about it. It's his teeth. Okay, and that's it.

SPEAKER_00 44:41

Yeah, you only get one set.

SPEAKER_01 44:43

That's right, buddy. You get one set. So you gotta be really careful, you know, and uh I wasn't. I used to leave all those things on the coffee table. All right, and thank God my uh my kid only picked up Mountain Dew. He didn't pick up all those other things. My son don't smoke weed, my daughter don't smoke weed, my daughter's not a drinker, my son's not a drinker, you know. My uh yeah, I'm very blessed. But fam my family member members, excuse me, so many of them have addictions. So many of them are rotten away. You know, and uh and that's all I keep seeing. You know, that's why I say go try to find me 20 healthy people right now. It's very hot.

SPEAKER_00 45:21

For people who want to help, what are some of the struggles of operating a nonprofit? What do you need help with?

SPEAKER_01 45:27

I need to help market pill man. I need to get pill man out there. I need um to start raising money so I can actually start going to these different cities. I can start going to uh yeah, different cities, different towns. And um, yeah, I need to get pill man out there. My biggest thing is marketing pill man. I market pill man, you know, the right way. You know, I always say, you know, you've heard of Superman, Spider-Man, and Batman? Well, I'm Pillman. And the only difference between me and them, they're here to entertain you and your families. I'm here to make sure you and your families have a good life. And that's how I want to market Pillman. I want to market Pillman and show them that you can actually be something. You can watch these characters on TV, you can enjoy their shows, but Pillman's here to make sure you have a good life. And I'm so honored by that, man. That's just that's that's a ride, man. That's a beautiful ride, and uh I'm happy I'm on this ride now.

SPEAKER_00 46:26

So anyone interested in following Frank or helping, I'll leave a description with all his channels. So give him a follow, a like, and a subscribe. And I'm sure he's got um a way that people can reach out if they want to help, right? Like an email address or yeah.

SPEAKER_01 46:43

Well, that's my big my big thing right now, they're building me a website right now. That's my other problem. I don't have a website up because if I had a website up, that's when people can come in and learn more about me. That's when people can come in and donate. So I'll be talking to somebody actually about that tomorrow. And um, I've been slacking because I don't like to ask people for help, okay?

SPEAKER_00 47:04

How far along is the website?

SPEAKER_01 47:06

Uh right now, um, I had somebody build it, but I'm not happy, so I think I'm gonna have somebody rebuild it for me.

SPEAKER_00 47:12

Do you own the domain? Pillman.com or something? Yes.

SPEAKER_01 47:16

Yes, I own a domain. Yes, yes. I own that. And um the coolest thing was um the government just gave me a license plate and it says pillman, which is awesome, you know. So I get to drive around now and uh people beeping the horn, people, you know. Is that accurate? Like somebody just asked me that, I think it was yesterday, day before. Is your license plate accurate? I said, well, Google Pillman. If you Google Pillman, you'll get to see who I am, you'll get to see some of the stories I've done. But I need to do a lot more. I need to get out there. I need to start hitting these streets in a very big way. And when I come, I'm all dressed in black. I look very strong, I look very healthy, and uh, and that's what I'm trying to show these people. And that's what I do. I try to show them pictures of what I used to look like at 125 pounds when I talk to some of these people. And then when they look at me, they say, You don't look like you've ever done drugs like that. I say, Because I'm lucky. Because I found a fountain of youth, a sauna, and I sit in that room and I sweat. That's how I got my life back. So no exercise now.

SPEAKER_00 48:18

No more cold plunge, just heat only?

SPEAKER_01 48:21

I uh no heat. Heat, no, no. I I take a sauna and I go straight from the sauna to an ice cold shower on the way out. Because a sauna opens your pores, and as you leave the gym, you want your pores to close. So you use ice cold shower, and then everything closes back up, and then you just it's it's it's it's like you're being reborn. It's it's insane, sounds silly, but learn about it. Do the research on a sauna, okay?

SPEAKER_00 48:46

I love the heat, not the cold.

SPEAKER_01 48:49

Well, if you've been doing uh if you've been doing a sauna at least three to five years, the benefits are 51% chance no heart attack, 60% chance no stroke, extremely beneficial for your hair, for your sleeve, for your health, for so many things that it's healthy for. And I didn't know all this, okay? I was doing it for five to six years, and um Tony Hawks, I think it was Tony Hawkes, I think. The skateboarder? No, no, no, no, I'm sorry, not Tony Hawks. Um, oh my God, what was his name? Um, why did I say Tony Hawks? It's Tony Summ, I believe. Oh, Tony Robbins? Maybe. Yeah, he's a huge motivation speaker.

SPEAKER_00 49:24

Yeah, Tony Robbins, I think.

SPEAKER_01 49:26

Yeah, there you go. Tony Robbins, there you go. And uh I saw Facebook one day, and that's when he said that. If you've been doing it for three to five years, and I didn't know any of that research. I didn't look it up. I was just doing it four to five years. But then when he came on and said that, I said, wow, that's pretty cool. I like that. But I just have never left that room. And um, yeah, and now I uh I try to help people. That's all I'm trying to do, man.

SPEAKER_00 49:49

That's so for the future, we could look forward to two new sculptures. Is there anything else you're hoping to do, like write a book or maybe create a children's novel?

SPEAKER_01 50:00

Uh, like I said, my next uh scalp should be a kid. And uh that's gonna open up a lot of people's eyes because um that's where it starts.

SPEAKER_00 50:11

I bet a little kid story to go along with it, too, that you could pass out.

SPEAKER_01 50:15

That's right. Well, that's what I need. I need people to come be part of my team to help me do comic books, to help me do books, to um Oh, a comic book would be crazy for Pillman. A comic book would be nasty. Nasty. Pillman coming with his uh yes, it would be absolutely fighting, help people fighting their addictions. Yes, yes, yes. Kick it ass. My big dream is uh to come to your house. I want to come with a camera team, and I want to come to your house with my scalpture, and I want to knock on your door, and I want to say, what are you addicted to?

SPEAKER_00 50:48

You can come over my house anytime. Come scare the kids with the scale.

SPEAKER_01 50:53

I'm not there to scare them, I'm there to help them. I want to make sure your kids rise, okay? I think I asked you this question the other day, but I want to ask your audience, have you guys ever seen the greatest treasure on this planet? And most people say no, they've never seen the greatest treasure. And I didn't know what the greatest treasure was for years. But then I found out it's me. I'm the greatest treasure. You know why? Because I'm one of a kind. That's the kids' book.

SPEAKER_00 51:19

That's the kids' book right there.

SPEAKER_01 51:21

There you go. I'm one of a kind. And then I realize so aren't you. So that's my message now. I ask people, have you ever seen that greatest treasure? And they say no. And when I tell them that, they just feel so alive because they never thought about themselves in that way. You know, and uh, and now I I I get to share that.

SPEAKER_00 51:44

And uh Oh, can I can I share something?

SPEAKER_01 51:47

Please.

SPEAKER_00 51:48

I saw a really cool uh uh video where the guy was talking to people on the street and he goes, If I could give you ten million dollars today, but you couldn't wake up tomorrow, would you take it? Everyone says, Of course not. And then he goes, That's how much your life that's how much your life is worth that just waking up is is not even um ten million dollars. Like you wouldn't even take ten million dollars not to wake up. So your life is worth ten million dollars every day.

SPEAKER_01 52:19

Of course it is. Of course it is. You're being reborn every day. It's up to you what you want to do every day. And me, every day I wanted to do what? Smoke cigarettes for 30 years. Every day I want to drink a mountain dew for 25 years, every day until I changed it, until I finally decided, listen, no more. No more. I want to see what can happen. And uh I never knew I was gonna quit all this. I never knew I was gonna become anybody. And I and uh I I'm still just frank. But I'm the I'm the guy that uh built some very uh nasty scalptures to open people's eyes. Wherever I bring my scalptures, people come over and and they're an awe, you know, and uh I was the first time I saw it. And that's what I that's what is it it is supposed to do, you know, and that's what I guess I'm supposed to do. And uh yeah, I'm enjoying the ride right now and I'm not done. And I need your help out there, people. So please come learn about Pillman. Do whatever you can to help me get my scalptures out there because you're not just gonna help me, you're gonna help thousands and thousands of people. It's time for us to start opening these people's eyes. It's time for families to start being strong together. Because once they start some of these things, people are losing their family members. Okay? People get addicted to drugs, they don't want anything to do with them anymore. People get addicted to drug or alcohol, they don't want anything to do with them anymore. We have to stop this. Okay, we're losing too many friends, we're losing too many family members. It's not easy out here anymore.

SPEAKER_00 53:54

Yeah, is there anything uh thank you for sharing, man?

SPEAKER_01 53:58

There you go. All right, but please come learn about Pillman. I'm on Instagram and uh I'm on Facebook, uh, I'm on uh TikTok. I try to do some very powerful videos, and uh I'm always looking for new ideas for videos. But if you want to help me, it has to be in a positive way. I don't want anything to do with uh hurting people, I don't want anything to do with scaring people, I want to do only one thing. I want to help open their eyes and I want to help them try to enjoy the next day.

SPEAKER_00 54:31

What's your favorite horror movie?

SPEAKER_01 54:35

Um I don't have one. You know, I was I worked at a haunted house for eight years, okay? And uh for eight years I was a security and I was going through my recovery. Every year I was actually coming better and stronger and I was and healthier, but for eight years I was doing it, and uh they would all watch horrors. Me, I was in it for the family because for five years I decorated my house, okay? I uh I lived like the Adams family for five years. This is no game, no joke. If people remembered my haunted house back in the day, I took over, I covered every inch of the house with all black tablecloths. I did the whole house. I had all kinds of Hannibal Electric Jason Freddie Kruger. I had all the scalpers, and I would have ten Boy Scouts sleep over my house. I would have ten, excuse me, Girl Scouts sleep over my house. We would do all kinds of really cool parties, but I never did anything to scare him. I never had any haunted movies on or anything like that. I did it for fun.

SPEAKER_00 55:43

I, you know, and uh I bet to me you seem like you would like Freddie Krueger films the most.

SPEAKER_01 55:49

Well, Freddie Kruger's pretty I I remember Freddie, yeah. Freddie Krueger actually now is uh one of my scalptures because I used um I have a few scalptures. I use Pinhead, okay? Oh, Pinhead is cool. Pinhead? Well, I stripped down Pinhead, okay? And now is Mary Jane. Okay. I used a body and I made Mary Jane, okay? And then uh Hannibal Elector, he's blackout. He's the one made out of all alcohol. I thought he would be a perfect, you know, scalpture made out of all alcohol, Hannibal Lecter, right? If anybody's gonna sit in the corner drinking, it would probably be him. So I made him. And Frankenstein, I built out of all pills because I saw me. And who am I? Frank. So basically I built a scalpture to I rebuilt Frankenstein, me. And uh yeah, I took each one of these scary scalptures and I made it into an education piece. You know, and uh yeah, uh Michael Myers, Michael Myers, yeah. I got Michael Myers and uh who is he? Uh yeah, all of my characters are someone now. Yeah. Well, now all of them are something to educate people, which is very, very cool.

SPEAKER_00 57:04

Yeah, thanks for sharing. That was an awesome story about your life and about Pillman. Crazy.

SPEAKER_01 57:11

Well, thank you very much.

SPEAKER_00 57:13

And now you're and now you're a veteran podcaster. You can go on, try to get on some more to get your message out even further.

SPEAKER_01 57:21

Well, this is my first podcast, so thank you very much. I really appreciate you've been asking me to do this for a while. I'm very sorry. I hesitate, but I always want to make sure that I'm spreading a good message. Okay. People say, you know, why aren't you do making money doing this? Why aren't you doing this? Why aren't you doing that? Because I don't think I'm supposed to make money. I think I'm supposed to be helping people. So I'd never worried about money for the last 10, 13 years. I've used my own money. My own money to get out in these streets, my own money to use gas, my own money to use hotels. But then I've had other people give, help me raise money to help me go to Washington, D.C., help me go to some very serious trips to get Pillman out there. But that's what I really need. I need people to help me raise money to help me help people. And that's what the money will be used for is to help people be educated, help me get out there on the streets so we can spread more awareness. And I'm not just coming for drugs and alcohol, I'm coming for all addictions. I am coming to show you that uh you are somebody very, very unique. Can I ask you one question? Please. Have you ever, before uh we leave, okay, have you ever seen the rarest flower on the planet? The rarest, uh, the strongest, the most unique flower on this planet.

SPEAKER_00 58:43

In the movie, um Dennis the Menace, the neighbor grows a very rare plant that only blooms every twenty years. And because Dennis the Menace did something, Will Mr. Wilson missed the plant blooming. That's the rarest plant I've seen in that movie.

SPEAKER_01 59:02

But it's not. That is not the rarest plant. You are the rarest plant on this planet. You, your children. But if you don't take care of that plant now, you're not going to see what you are supposed to bloom into. And through the years we wilt. You're not here to wilt, you're here to bloom for your children. Because if you bloom for your children, your children will want to bloom. And I didn't do that.

SPEAKER_00 59:28

I chose the weirdest night to actually have a cocktail during the podcast, because I swear maybe I have a drink every three months.

unknown 59:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 59:36

Uh but I have your drink tonight. Just a little man. A little crown royal. Of all I of all your your shows, you come on here drinking alcohol with a man who's trying to educate people about addiction.

SPEAKER_00 59:51

And you can ask my wife. I told her I I go, I need to have a cocktail tonight because I had a coffee real late because I was tired. And I said, if I don't have a little uh whiskey or something, I'm not gonna be able to fall asleep because of the coffee.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:06

But see, you just said it, okay? You you haven't done it in three months, right? You did it in moderation.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:11

Yeah, very moderate, very moderate.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:13

You go, okay. Well, that's life. If you do things in moderation, you can actually have a good life. You still have to be careful what you're doing in moderation, but you can have a good life. You want to have a drink every once in a while, okay. You know, nobody's gonna get hurt. But if you sit there and have that drink and say, honey, I need another drink in 10 minutes, and then you have to wait and you wake up in the morning and you have to have that drink before work, then you have an issue.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:37

Okay, and that's what that eventually happens. So be careful of the moderation and don't let the moderation take you for a pumpy ride. And uh, yeah, that's all I'm trying to share, man. That's all I'm trying to share.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:48

And text me. Let me know what goes up with the website, because we could do a one-page website for you just to get it live. That way people got a way to reach out to you uh if it doesn't if your meeting doesn't go well.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:00

So Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, it should be going, it should go good tomorrow. But um, all these things that I need to do, I need to pay people. That's why I need volunteers. Yeah. I want people to come for the ride and help me, okay? And uh I know everything. We we it's our time, you know, and uh we we deserve to get paid. But remember, you're gonna be helping people. That's my big message. I want you to help somebody else because I promise you, if you help somebody, the only thing's gonna happen, you're gonna rise. Okay, you do good things, good things are gonna happen. You do bad things, hold on for the ride. And for many years I did bad things to my body. I didn't take care of myself, but now I take care of myself and I rise every day. I rise every day, and now they call me Pillman. And I take that very serious, ladies and gentlemen. So please come help Pillman open eyes so we can save lives together. And thank you. Thanks for watching. Thank you for tonight. Thank you for uh being my first podcast. I really appreciate it.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:01

That was super fun.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:03

All right, and uh yeah, definitely. I'm gonna send you my card and uh send you a picture of my card, and um then if you can, please share the share the links. And uh I hope to see a bunch of new followers tonight on all my networks. And uh yeah, you got ideas? Email me, message me, let me know, and uh let's go out there and save lives together.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:25

Sounds good. So when we get off, when we get off, just leave your computer open for a couple minutes so the video can upload and then we're good.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:33

Okay, I'm gonna send you uh I'll send you this right now, and uh yeah. So how uh so are we all done?

SPEAKER_00 1:02:41

Yeah. Okay, so uh Tell your son thank you for uh helping you set up and uh have a great night.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:48

Well, you want to say hi real quick. Let him say hi.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:50

Yeah. Hey buddy, how's it going? Good job setting your dad up on the podcast tonight. He was telling me, I can't figure it out, Rich. I said you can figure it out. It's we're gonna do it on the phone. And he said, Nope. My son has the computer, he's gonna set it up for me. It's gonna be better that way.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:10

There you go. Uh I just uh about to send these right now. So well, how do I watch the podcast now? Well, how does that go up now? I'm just curious.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:21

Um, I'll probably put it out in a couple in a day or two. It's gonna go on Spotify, Apple, iTunes, all the podcasts. It's also gonna be on YouTube and it'll be on Facebook. And then all the short clips from the podcast are gonna go on Instagram, TikTok, face uh Facebook, YouTube. Um and I usually do like seven days worth of shorts, one in the morning and one at night.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:47

So what does that mean, shorts?

SPEAKER_00 1:03:49

Uh just under three minutes. So like little snippets of uh something interesting you said we'll tr we'll clip it and it'll just be a taste of what you got going so that people get interested and then they'll click through to the whole episode.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:04

Okay, all right, okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:06

Yeah. And I'll and I'll tag I'll tag your channels in it too. Like if I'll tag your Facebook on the Facebook ones, I'll tag your YouTube, you know.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:15

Uh yeah, tag me, please. All right, then I then I can get out of it and I can uh yeah, see what's gonna happen. All right. But listen to me. Listen, you're very good on the computer. You you're you you know what you're doing. I would love for you to be part of Pale Man's team. Okay? I mean that. Seriously. If you think you can help me get out there like you are right now, help me. If you think you can help me get my Instagram, my TikTok, and all these other ones to blow up, that's what I need. I need my I need my pages to blow up so we can really help a lot of people. Look at me, I now right now I'm very a lot stronger and a lot healthier looking. And when I hit the streets, I come, I come looking powerful and strong with my scalptures, man. Now I just need people like you to really help me spread this message. I want to be bigger than Spider-Man, Batman, or Superman kid. That's not even a joke. I want your kids to grow, to be strong, to be healthy. I want to make sure parents like you put the alcohol away at night so it's not on the coffee table in the morning. All right.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:16

Yeah, we need like Robert F. Kennedy or Joe Rogan or someone big to come in and and help set up the nonprofit so that they can run ads on your stuff and also grow organically, but yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:28

Well, one of the two of the two uh cool things I did do real quick is um uh The Walking Dead. They did uh they come to Worcester. Well, I brought Pillman down there and I did a video. Basically, we have The Walking Dead on our streets. We can watch The Walking Dead on TV, but what are we gonna do about The Walking Dead on our streets? And then Mark Wahlberg came to Shrewsbury and did a movie. And basically I went to a Mark Wahlberg set and I was there, but I left because they told me he wasn't on the set. But he ended up coming to the set and I I was so sad, but I went there and I did a I did a Facebook clip there too. So I'm trying to get Pillman to different sets like that because I want people like them to see Pillman. I want people like them to help me because yeah, it's affected everybody. I don't care who it is.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:12

Yeah, I need some good sponsors.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:14

Yeah, exactly, man. Exactly. So however you can spread this, that would be awesome. I'll do my best. I sent you the card, okay? You got all my information on there. Again, thank you for tonight.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:24

Yeah, thank you.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:25

And uh bless you uh and your three kids, man. When I met you, you didn't even have a kid. See? So I love it, man. That's that's awesome. But Rich. I don't even think I had a girlfriend. Yeah, you did. You did. Oh, I did. Yeah, you're just going out with her, yes. Just started going out with her, I think. Yeah. But uh, man, just make sure you keep looming for your kids, man. That's number one. Keep doing things in moderation like you did tonight. And uh yeah, keep getting those good messages out there like you are. Because right now that's exactly exactly what you're doing. You're helping people spread a message. So that's very powerful, okay? So uh yeah, thank you for that. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:05

Thanks, Frank.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:06

You're very welcome. I'm gonna keep this open for a couple of seconds, right?

SPEAKER_00 1:07:10

Um I'll stop the recording and just let it load up. You'll see it loaded.